Chicago Humanities connects people to ideas that shape and define, and promotes the lifelong exploration of what it means to be human. Their year-round programming brings one-of-a-kind content to audiences with an interest in art, science, technology, politics, literature and more. On October 26, 2024, they welcomed authors John Green and Rebecca Makkai to Northwestern University’s Cahn Auditorium for an afternoon conversation of fiction writing and the roles novels play in today’s society.
The conversation started with their ties to Chicago as Makkai grew up in the northern suburbs while Green lived and worked in the city post-college. It brought up the topic of setting and its importance to the plot of the story, but not necessarily considering it a character.
“Setting is its own thing and it used to be thought about in a very different way,” Makkai said. “Characters are there to change; setting is not, necessarily… Setting is there to put pressure on the situation.”
Establishing a setting and forgetting about it is a mistake Makkai said she made in her early writing days. She understands that characters need to walk through a setting using all their senses, with Green acknowledging that Makkai is one of his favorite storytellers when it comes to describing places.
They also agreed on writing settings that are familiar to them. As a reader, having an author describe a place known well to them but clearly not to the author can take away from the experience. When writing about Indianapolis, where Green was born and has lived for the last 15 years, he said, “I try to write about it as a place where real lives happen.”
Along with a familiar setting comes familiarity with the subjects at hand. It can be difficult to know how much research needs to be done until one is in the midst of writing and even then it is tough to know when enough is enough. Green shared that while writing Paper Towns he cut an entire subplot about the United States Postal Service after his editor mentioned that while it seemed like he did his research that teenagers would probably not find it as interesting as him.
Another fascinating topic that Green and Makkai discussed was the fine line between author and character. In a world where readers can follow their favorite authors on various social media platforms, they can see how certain characters or stories were based on the author’s own experiences. However, that does not mean the character and the author are the exact same person.
“I would be on these interview shows where the interviewer would be quite brazenly confusing me and the novel,” he said. “How can I tell them where the line is [when] I don’t know where the line is?”
Green continued, “I always felt very confident and comfortable knowing that fiction matters and that fiction is important and storytelling is at the core of who we are and what we do. Then suddenly that got pulled out from under me for whatever reason and I was like, ‘I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be writing’ and that’s why I turned to nonfiction.”
One of the more important topics they discussed came from an audience question about book bans. Green and Makkai agreed that unfortunately, book bans work. They try not to let it affect them because they believe that it not only lets those in favor of book bans win but gives them more credit for the intellectual freedom battle when they believe that belongs to teachers and librarians.
“It’s not just a book that can transform the lives of young people… it’s also that we have made a decision to hire experts to do this called teachers,” Green said. “It is weird to me that we are undermining their expertise at every turn and making it a battle.”
They are grateful that their education involved books by Toni Morrison or Tony Kushner, but it is devastating to hear teachers tell them they would love to put Green or Makkai’s works in their curriculum but teach in an area that would not allow it.
“You might have a kid who is only going to read 30 books in their life and you’ve just taken one away or you’ve taken many off the table and those are books that could change this kid’s life,” Makkai said.
Chicago Humanities recognizes the importance of storytelling, fiction or nonfiction. Bringing two beloved contemporary writers together for the first time allowed them to delve into topics that are important to them and important to the continued conversation of literature.